There is a new hype in town, where most XKDG masters are speaking in code, the DaVinci's style! They throw you a chart or a mind boggling diagram and asked you to guess. Next, they invite you for their courses, costs at USD10,000.00, as I was informed from an academy in town.
In a nutshell there seems to be many unfounded interpretations namely: -
- The door tilting school
- The hole searching school
- The star gazer school
- The YiJing type school
- The Golden Shoe Line school
- The All in one school
- The Fighting SanSha school
Seriously, none of these schools actually documented their case studies and consistently validate their results based on these approaches. Sometimes work, sometimes don't, is just another way of saying, I guess it may works.
Perhaps, one may seriously need to ask, what is the basis of XKDG? YiJing or IChing? ZhongTian? or the extinct GuiChang?
If the GuaXiang is good enough, why made it obsolete with JiaZi, GuaQi, GuaYun and so forth?
Perhaps, it is just another hoax?
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Hi That's an interesting topic.
When I started studying Fengshui ,it was with The Master Course in fengshui by Eva Wong,then I discovered there was BA ZAI system as well,I took a three level course on BA ZHAi.Then I heard there was another course on SAN HE.I took it as well,and I had the feeling that they were enough for a good starting in consulting,until I heard about other systems Like XKDG.It was then that I got completely dishearted to carry on and much more to undertake the responsibility to consult people with uncertain results as most of them had asked me for an appartment where not much could be done, and for free And what I would like to ask you is XKDG so important and should it be used in tantem with Flying stars and 8 Mansions? And when I am thinking of teachers that tell their students ,they are ready to become Feng shui Practitioners after a three-day seminar I get insane!!!
Despina
Dear Despina, all,
I started with XKDG 6 years ago, I took the first seminar Joseph Yu gave on that topic. I did quite a lot of experiments since then plus having had an extensive email conversation (nearly 800 emails) with a FSRC Master exchanging about results and a lot of other metaphysical stuff.
I got partially quite interesting results, sometimes also funny results. So I would also say the universe has a lot of humor. BTW Four Pillars study is a must as well imo when dealing with XKDG.
But I need to add that using XKDG usually brings also heavy side effects on the social level especially when used very regularly and extensive/fanatic. BTW Four Pillars study is a must as well imo when dealing with XKDG. I also had some talk with Danny about the side effects as he has observed similar things like me when living in Asia.
I personally have changed to other methods now which I like more. But I think it´s a nice goody to use it from time to time. I have been especially fascinated by the basics of XKDG and it´s relation to the natural beauty of the genetical code which led me to the study of human medicine at the university shortly after I got to know it.
This is my little XKDG model:
Hi Despina,
Your story is not new. I was once in your shoe, until at a point, I gave all up and start from scratch. The fundamental is your guiding principles - easy to say then to do!. Think of it if one is not sure the difference between Gua, Qi and Xiang, when is Tanglang a wood star or a water star, when is mountain Yang and when is mountain Yin and the lists goes on.... spend another 3-4 years to document some cases, to only find out one has just return to the point where one started, things will begin to be in placed, you will some how know what to let go and what to keep for good. Then, you will realize the key of your search is starting with BaZi, which is the fundamental of the useful god (not necessary must be the positive element) is where all FengShui systems must align to. Sort out again all system of FengShui you know, where is the body, what is the application, throw out the inconsistent theory and so on and so forth... then test it all over again in real life application... You cannot not see result! Then you are your own teacher.
When others tell you don't mix Flyingstar with BaZhai, mix it for the sake of testing things out. Understand what is their fundamentals! One is based on LoShu the other on SanHe !!! My goodness.... then, see what can work, what cannot work?
Then, do it again and again... better blog it out and see what other response to your experiment. This is at least what I would do than to happily hold up the diploma which state you are qualify to call yourself a master!
Antje,
That is a nice model you have there.
Wat do you do next with the model?
Cheers
Hi Antjie,
I have no idea of XKDG and I can not understand your code of course.I have searched for correspondence lessons on it and the only one I have found so far was Joseph Yu's,Which I rather will attend in Athens in a live seminar with his Representative in due time.
You Started Medicine after you took up XKDG.I got involved in Chinese Metaphysics the other way.When I got completely disappointed with Conventional Medicine about thirty years ago I decided to take my life in my hands and get the basic answers which were torturing me one of which was 'Why do we get sick""And Thanks to Chinese Metaphysics and a lot of search I got the answers to my questions ,I have understood that everything is energy ,electromagnetism,magnetic fields,frequencies etc etc,and being so is a matter of balancing your energies to keep a healthy and strong person .It works to me, The break through ,though,was the latest book I read "Taking the Quantum Leap " By the Physic Fred Alan Wolf.It is about the history and developement of physics from ancient greeks and the Newtonian physics to Quantum physics -mechanics with the help of which all the metaphysical issues are proved to be just physical.And there is a lot of research going on lately on Energy.It is fascinating
Despina
Hi Yifengshui,
The model is already a few years old. It´s not usable for making money or applying XKDG and is now used for decoration :-)
I had seen something similar before created by American scientists, but they were only using the codons + hexagram + binary code. And I wanted to know how the order/pattern looks like when adding the Ba Zi + the number of the hexagrams. But there is also some issue with relating the codons to the hexagrams.
Someone can play around with it when time permits. There a plenty of points of view how the single 64 pieces can be sorted. But I found it is better to look at patterns using other kind of sketches on paper than this 3 dimensional cube model. It´s not ideal imo. I don´t know why the scientists did it this way.
BTW it took me quite long to find some basic foundation for such model with 64 flexible material pieces. Finally I was happy about my idea with using the 64 plastic foundation. :-)
Antje
Hi ,
Yes, I agree with you that I will start from the beginning,something that I am already doing.What really ,however has stolen my heart and which I can handle better is Four Pillars.My first contradiction with feng shui was the seperation of the systems to Flying Stars and 8 Mansions.My principal was that if I apply only the flying stars it does not mean that sheng Qi, Huo hai-Jue Ming dissapear and they do not exist in a house.and not only this.What about the Period Energy ? All energies are mingled together and one has to struggle to balance four to five energies.Period,Year,birth ,month,day.It seems Universe and Earth are more wise than man.It is so expalained that despite so many bad energies in a house do not robberies happen always ,from seldom to never,that's why not all people suffer or get sick etc etc.meaning that energies balance one the other
Hi Despina,
The model is not for classic XKDG application, it´s only a combination from codons (base triplets/genetical code) with the hexagrams.
For it it hasn´t been so straight. 15 years ago I was also very disappointed from conventional medicine, it changed a bit when I got to know also more good sides. I do/did not like conventional medicine as they fail so often with their diagnosis. I´m a big fan of alternative medicine, I like the way of dealing with selfhealing powers etc. But I do like a lot of the Western knowledge as well and try to combine it with alternative things, which I find very helpful for practical uses.
Maybe this is also some book for you: "The Quantum and the Lotus" by Matthieu Ricard and Trinh Xuan Thuan.
Thank you Antje,
I am very glad to hear that you are going to combine alternative to Conventional Medicine.Then I have great news for you (as I have promised to Annie as well), after May 24th,and after the oficial presentation of a project in the international Congress of Homeopathy in Redondo Beach California which has to do with with Electroforisis of the blood protein in the service of Homeopathy the decode of "Similia Similibus Curentur"
Health levels According to G .vithoulkas and how they have been proved in the lab.If you are interested of course !!!!
Thanks for the title.I will try to find it
Despina
Hi all,
Out of all systems of Chinese metaphysics that I have seen and tried so far, this XKDG is the one I am most convinced that it is nothing but a useless superstition, no substance at all in it.
The system itself had too much of an artificial feel to me.
And when it put it to some test on a few thousand data, I couldn't find even the slightest indication that there is any truth in it.
Then let's consider the problems it creates.
People who use day selection have the guaranteed disadvantage of only being able to start and do certain things on certain days. So sometimes they have to wait and delay till a "good" day comes along for it.
For some people that can even turn into a kind of obsession, they can't even pick up the phone if the day or the hour is not "favorable" according to xkdg.
The pro does not outweigh the contra, so this is not something I want to use.
But that's of course only my opinion, people have to make their own judgments and decisions as always.
Danny
Hi All,
Agreed, XKDG as a techniques currently available, is a flawed method. Similarly so is the FlyingStar. No doubt about it. Even XKDG as a date selections also has its problem.
The question is do practitioners actually take the trouble to document it and say it out loud?
Hi Danny, all,
Honestly I find the Flying Stars formula not much better - otherwise they would have included No. 10 as well. My guess is, the first one who copied it forgot or overlooked something or found it too harmonic...
But as far as I remember you only used it in your data test for the personality/Ba Zi experiment, not for the date selection part.
Hi Despina,
I´m pretty eager to get to know how they show something about Homeopathy with electrophoresis. My guess would be they are using immunoglobulin as blood proteine. But I´m very curious what you will tell after the Congress. Sincerely I think homeopathy is not really anymore something what can be considered as "alternative" or "unconventional" medicine as it is already teached at the universities. :-)
Antje
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